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Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 02:10 PM // 14:10

I searched, and couldn't believe I couldn't find a suggestion to stop simple bait and switch scams in GW!

The solution is easy: Once both parties submit their offers, they go to a "locked" window where they can either "Agree" or "Cancel" the trade (you cannot modify the trade at this point).

No more bait and switch. Painless and easy.

striderkaaru · Dec 08, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

this just adds an extra step and might be more of a hassle for those doing honest trades. really, all people have to do is double check all items and gold/plat amount before hitting accept.

the other person cancelled and/or modified the trade? double check again before hitting accept.

bait and switch scams rely on people being careless.

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

The fact is, trade is being slowed down with so many scammers.

This "hassle" (come on, it's one extra mouse click!) will save you time in the long run because it will weed out all the crappy Bait and Switch scammers out there.

Honestly, legitimate traders should welcome this feature, as it will ultimately save them time.

Gargle Blaster · Dec 08, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

The fact is, trade is being slowed down with so many scammers.

This "hassle" (come on, it's one extra mouse click!) will save you time in the long run because it will weed out all the crappy Bait and Switch scammers out there.

Honestly, legitimate traders should welcome this feature, as it will ultimately save them time.

NO!!!! your logic is flawed. Bait and switch scams are NOT the norm. More bureaucracy is never the answer... Don't punish everyone b/c you cant take the time to look over your trades.

fiery · Dec 08, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

people scam or try to cant do much.

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

NO!!!! your logic is flawed. Bait and switch scams are NOT the norm. More bureaucracy is never the answer... Don't punish everyone b/c you cant take the time to look over your trades.

I do look over my trades. But once I see the item is correct, I don't want to have to continually keep looking to make sure it doesn't change!

That's just silly.

Look, I don't see why people are against this. The only people it hurts are the scammers. Legitimate traders will not be slowed at all by this...

Damon Windwalker · Dec 08, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

How about a petition to get players to realize that protecting themselves is their own responsibility?

Gargle Blaster · Dec 08, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

This is very simple really mistakes happen more frequently than scamms...

under your plan you would have to close out of the trade window and re-open a new one, and re-submit your items to be traded for both trading peoples(you ever think about that other person in the trade?).BTW that is more than 1 click

it's like copy protection - people that scam are always going to figure out a way around the system... then you are left with procedures that do nothing but slow down everyone else.

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

How about a petition to get players to realize that protecting themselves is their own responsibility?

Yes, it's the victims fault.

Seriously, how would this one extra step harm you?

Even if you've never been scammed, I'm sure people have TRIED to scam you. That's wasting your time. This will end the majority of bait and switch scams, and there will be no excuse for people who fall for these scams with this fail-safe in place.

striderkaaru · Dec 08, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I do look over my trades. But once I see the item is correct, I don't want to have to continually keep looking to make sure it doesn't change!

isn't that exactly what you are suggesting? a final trade window where you double check the items?

and what's to stop the scammers from cancelling out of that trade final trade window, and redoing the whole process until someone gets careless and doesn't check at the final trade window?

1 extra step. problem still not solved.

aron searle · Dec 08, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

/ signed

if you dont like it at least come up with a good reason to not implement it.

OH NOEZ it will make me spend up to 5 secs more to finalize a trade and stop these scammers END OF TEH WOLRD !!!!!!!!!!

Yichi · Dec 08, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

I always make sure that everythings correct. as soon as i see the trade modified i cancel it and reopen. if it was an honest mistake, hell reopen trade. then when everything is correct, they hit accept first, then i do. never been scammed that way

/signed as i have had people i know get scammed by this

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

This is very simple really mistakes happen more frequently than scamms...

under your plan you would have to close out of the trade window and re-open a new one, and re-submit your items to be traded for both trading peoples(you ever think about that other peorson in the trade?).BTW that is more than 1 click

it's like copy protection - people that scam are always going to figure out a way around the system... then you are left with procedures that do nothing but slow down everyone else.

Only if both people submitted their ends without checking first.

Come on, either people have responsibility for their actions, or they don't!

Don't tell me it's my job to make sure the trade is right (I agree, BTW), but then say the traders aren't responsible for what they are offering!

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by striderkaaru

isn't that exactly what you are suggesting? a final trade window where you double check the items?

and what's to stop the scammers from cancelling out of that trade final trade window, and redoing the whole process until someone gets careless and doesn't check at the final trade window?

1 extra step. problem still not solved.

If you agree to a LOCKED screen where the items can't change, you have NO EXCUSE for being scammed!

I want to prevent people from offering one thing, and then switching to another at the last minute to scam people. It's a simple scam, and there's a simple prevention for it.

Gustav Gloomp · Dec 08, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

leave it the way it is. if u implement this new way its gonna take up the same time as it does now, plus u hav to double check even with this new idea.

TheClash · Dec 08, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Why should A-Net have to take the time and implement an added system when the main problem is stupidity on the part of a player? They only get away with these things because people are moronic at times and don't pay attention. They should accept the fact that they screwed up and get over it and not make the same mistake again.

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Gustav Gloomp

leave it the way it is. if u implement this new way its gonna take up the same time as it does now, plus u hav to double check even with this new idea.

That makes no sense. It will take the same time, you still have to double check, but with the extra benefit of once you go to the locked screen, you won't be scammed by a last minute change.

Mordakai · Dec 08, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by TheClash

Why should A-Net have to take the time and implement an added system when the main problem is stupidity on the part of a player? They only get away with these things because people are moronic at times and don't pay attention. They should accept the fact that they screwed up and get over it and not make the same mistake again.

For the same reason they put a fail-safe on deleting your character.

It will help prevent people from being scammed.

It's good customer service.

striderkaaru · Dec 08, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

If you agree to a LOCKED screen where the items can't change, you have NO EXCUSE for being scammed!

under the current system, if you accept a trade and it is modified, your previous acceptance is cancelled and you have the choice of pressing accept again. in this case, it is your responsibility to look over the items once more before clicking "accept" again.

so this "locked" window prevents any further modification. however, scammers can still do the cancel-reopen trade trick.

the reason why i am not signing it is because i really don't see how it changes anything. when a scammer modifies a trade, you get asked if you want to "accept" again anyway. in the same sense, when a trade is modified and you don't check to see what was changed, you have no excuse for being scammed.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

It will help prevent people from being scammed.

i don't see how it prevents it. people who are careless and accept a modified trade without checking will still be careless and accept the locked window without checking. it really changes nothing.

Juicey Shake · Dec 08, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

&no sign: should be checking anyway; and I quite like watching idiots scream 'omg someone scammed my _________' in all chat everytime some idiot gets duped, it's nice to remind him to his '__________ IS A SCAMMER' spam is also against the eula.